February Newsletter 2009


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David Price, Thursday, 12 February 2009

Latest news just prior to Round 2 of the NSW F11 Championships

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"I have again come to realise that there is nothing anywhere in the world as suitable for 10 to 18 year olds as the F11's. "

"Fantastic boats in a breeze, incomparable on reaches, physically testing at times, tolerant of a wide range of weights, light skippers can match up with heavier crews, heavier and rapidly growing skippers can remain competitive by using smaller younger crews, thereby introducing the younger ones to the class. "

"Sensible class rules allow minor developments and the opportunity for some individualisation - important if our young sailors are to fully develop knowledge and skills. M
ore than competitive with any other boat of similar size in any conditions, and despite its relatively long history, still "state of the art"?"  

"This boat has some history but has also stood the test of time....  If you were going to redesign it for the next 20 years there is little that you would want to change."

 Peter Moore 2008
Volvo 70s & F11 PRO

In this issue:

  • Congratulations 2009 F11 Champions
  • Round 2 NSW State Championships Latest News
  • Nationals AGM Report
  • Notice of F11 NSW AGM
  • Tasmania 2010
  • Editors Ramble


Congratulations 2009 F11 Champions


Congratulations to Josh McKnight and Ira Dubrey of Manly 16'SSC becoming the Flying Eleven National Champions in 2009.


Josh and Ira sailed 1353 Flying Hellfish to victory at Twofold Bay Eden by podiuming every race bar one in the fleet of 73 boats, which included 65 girls and 24 all girl crews.


There were four clubs represented in the overall top 10 results, and for the second year in succession, the winners of the Flying Eleven Teams Trophy was won by Manly 16'SSC who entered an equal 18 crews with Avalon SC in this year's event.


Top Ten Placing's

1.      1353 Flying Hellfish Josh McKnight & Ira Dubery M16'SSC; 3-2-2-2-3-1-[20]

2.      1363 Crunchie Olivia Price & Maddie Clancy M16'SSC; [18]-6-3-1-1-4-14

3.      1368 Cotton On Scott Cotton & Max Vos ASC; 2-5-5-12-4-2-[13]

4.      1362 Guccii Alex McFadyen & Bradley Leicester M16'SSC; 14-1-1-3-6-6-[15]

5.      1369 Tom Tom Tom Koerner & Joshua Ponton ASC; [8]-4-6-7-5-7-8

6.      1355 Eugene Tim Forbes-Smith & Wil Dargaville ASC; 1-8-9-6-[12]-8-6

7.      1305 Lethal Blonde Kris Fay & Emma Knighton B16'SC; 4-10-7-5-10-[74]-3

8.      1366 Protagonist Declan Reilly & James Lawira-Fernandez M16'SSC 10-7-11-4-7-[24]-1

9.      1334 Ace Penny Kendall & Lucy Murray ASC; 7-11-[26]-15-8-17-2

10.   1358 Decoy Declan Rohr & Alex Paton HHSC; [19]-9-4-14-18-5-11


The event would not have been possible without the generous support and contribution of our major sponsors 1824(TM) Premium Beef and Bell Potter Securities.


Full race reports, photos and results can be viewed on our website via the nationals feature box on the home page.


Peter Moor has also provided some valuable observations which appears later in this newsletter.


Round 2 NSW State Championships Latest News


Round 2 of the 1824(TM) Premium Beef NSW Flying Eleven State Championships gets underway this weekend on Lake Macquarie hosted by the Belmont 16'SSC.


Things to take note of:

  • It is intended that there will be races 5 & 6 sailed on Saturday 14th Feb with a small lunch break in between.
  • It is intended that race 7 and a re-sail of race 4 be done back to back on Sunday 15th Feb.
  • Belmont 16'SC advise they have normal 16 footer club racing on Sunday starting around 2pm so we need to respect their rigging areas and prepare for their usage of this area.
  • We must leave all our trailers over on the "concrete" area of the car park - no trailers in car spots with the understanding the club needs to make money and their car spots are crucial to their guests patronage.
  • Anybody holding perpetual trophies for the state titles is required to bring them along for this weekend's presentation. Please chase up any trophies your club won last year at Cronulla, including the "old boat" trophy etc.
  • There will be a presentation immediately after the last race sailed on Sunday. It is a special presentation as it will be Lionel's last after being involved with the class for over 6 years and serving the class for the past 4 years as president of NSW. This will be an excellent opportunity to express our gratitude for the enormous effort he has contributed to the Flying Elevens over so many years.
  • A limited array of lunch items will be available on Saturday outside the clubhouse in the usual location. Otherwise, the more extensive choices are still available in the club's dining area.
  • At this weeks NSW F11 meeting, it was decided that any boat wishing to protest should notify the Race Committee on the start/finish boat of the intention to protest. This will enable in a timely manner the Protest Committee volunteers to hear the protest as early as possible.
  • There will be a race committee officer available to receive any protests on shore after racing. Please read the Sailing Instructions - clause 18 for further information.

Nationals AGM Report


Our national AGM was held on the 17th January 2009 at Twofold Bay Yacht Club and attended by 47 people from eight F11 clubs.


After the National President's Report was tabled and read out, our new national committee as per the constitution were elected, of which the results follow. 


President:               D. Price                  


Vice Presidents:       L. McFadyen            (NSW)          

                             B. Cromarty             (Tas.)          


Hon. Secretary:       T. Nugent               


Hon. Treasurer:        I. Greentree            


Hon. Measurer:         A. Kendall               


Hon. Registrar:         M. Bell          


Hon. Handicapper:    I. Murray.     


Nominations from the floor were received for Publicity Officer David Price, Equipment Officer Kingsley Forbes Smith and Public Officer Tom Nugent.


Our Tasmanian President Bill Cromarty presented the proposal from Tamar Yacht Club to hold the 2010 Flying Eleven Nationals next January. After a lengthy presentation, the NSW President Lionel McFadyen asked if anyone from the floor had any objection to having the next nationals at Tamar YC. As there was no objections, Tamar YC was unanimously awarded the right to host the next national event in Tasmania.

Notice of F11 NSW AGM

The AGM for the Flying Eleven Sailing Association of NSW inc will be held on the 12th May at Balgowlah RSL. Further details will be posted in due course on our website and future newsletters.

Please forward any nominations for positions on the NSW Committee to our class secretary Tom Nugent <tomnugent@optusnet.com.au>

Tasmania 2010

A tremendous amount of work has already been done in preparation for the next national championships. A lot of information on accommodation options, travel methods and costs, and the transport of boats is yet to be finalised.

However, we can advise we have secured some considerable discounts on the Spirit of Tasmania for cars, boats and people, with certain conditions applicable. At present, the cost of transporting your car, boat and driver one way is as low as $220. We are continuing to explore these deals and other options available to our fleet and will be able to advise you shortly. There is of course the luxury options of splurging on an outstanding adventure for the family on the Spirit across to Tassie, but it does come at a relevant cost of course.

Container transportation of the boats is another option currently being investigated and we expect to have quotations available in the next few weeks.

Accommodation options are soon to be published with bulk booking, a central booking agency and other facilities soon to be revealed. There is also a chance of accessing some college accommodation similar to that offered by the catering college at Manly's nationals some years ago.

We have the Tasmanian Govt. and local Real Estate agents working on this for us as well.

All shall be revealed I hope in the very near future. We are definitely going to Tassie in case you have listened to any rumours to the contrary.


Editors Ramble

I have almost finished with the work involved in running the 2009 nationals. This year was certainly the busiest nationals I have had to organise, partly due to the fact that the class has never held a regatta at Eden but predominantly because we had many new parents and crews which required more time to assist and manage over a rather anxious and short period.


I received some wonderful emails from various Clubs and individuals expressing their gratitude and appreciation of how much they enjoyed the regatta and how well it came off in some considerably difficult conditions at times. It all of course was a team effort made up of many clubs' participation and volunteer work for which I am enormously thankful for their efforts. The regatta involved over 600 people. I'm sure Eden appreciated the fact the Flying Eleven class pumped around $1/2m into their economy and most of us left Eden with fond memories of the event. There were of course some detractors to this glossy picture.


As the National President, it is difficult to please all. I will defend our propriety at all times and that of our children in this class, something that has unfortunately been questioned of late. Our regattas are conducted with utmost fairness to all competitors; their integrity is something we seriously govern. The nature of this sport is such that cannot be truly and fully understood by all. It is intricate and technical by nature. We are principled by our F11 Codes Of Behaviour provided by the Australian Sports Commission. Reckless innuendo and ill conceived comment can unfairly destroy all the good work people and organisations like ours have build up over the years - literally overnight. It is imperative that everyone abides by the Codes of Behaviour as our children depend on it and deserve to have an enjoyable experience in the sport and encourage them to remain involved throughout their lives. It is very easy to read and understand!


Again I direct you to speak to your coach who is deemed to be an expert, one who understands these intricacies and can competently advise you from a wealth of experience and training if you have concerns. Enough said by me for now on the matter. 

Below is the content of an email from Peter Moor, and with his permission I have published it here for all to benefit from.  


Eden Review by PRO Peter Moor

More so than at any other F11 regatta I have been involved with over the past 12 years or so the Eden Nationals appeared to be subject to varied expectations from competitors and supporters.   Perhaps this is the inevitable effect of the variable conditions to which the regatta was subject.  When conditions are ideal such discrepancies in expectations are unlikely to arise.

Many competitors and supporters come to a regatta without any expectation or chance of finishing in the top 10, they come for a variety of reasons, experience, a holiday, friends, etc.   These entries, the overwhelming majority, are usually not too concerned if races are started or continued in marginal conditions for fairness, or, if last minute wind shifts make the set course or start line imperfect.  Perhaps many of them may not even be aware of these imperfections.  It  takes some skill, experience and knowledge to work out if there is a favoured end of a start line, and many get it consistently and hopelessly wrong, or to understand that their unusually good or poor result was the consequence of chance.

It appeared to me in Eden that many preferred races to start on time, not be postponed or abandoned as they have other plans and interests or they do not wish to be kept out on the water any longer than absolutely necessary.  Perhaps, as they have no expectation of great success, if conditions are marginal for fairness it is of no concern, and may even be in their interests as such conditions mean the possibility of a chance good result.

Similarly most  onlookers and supporters appeared to prefer not to have to wait around for conditions to improve or a race committee to tweek a start line or course for perfection.  Volunteers assisting on the race course may also not be too keen to spend long hours waiting for conditions to improve.

On the other hand most of the top 10, and their supporters, may prefer delays rather than race in marginal conditions where their skill and experience may not be rewarded.

So in such a regatta where conditions are difficult a race officer can be in some dilemma about how to manage the situation.  Expedite races in marginal conditions and perhaps the fairness and outcome of the regatta is compromised and the top crews are unimpressed, delay and a substantial number become discontent.

For my part I am firmly in the "prefer to wait for better conditions or delay so the start line or course can be adjusted appropriately" category.  As a competitor I would far rather depend on my experience and skill than race in conditions where chance factors play a greater role, unless of course I knew that I had no chance in which case I might prefer conditions to be more marginal.  Perhaps better sailors than me might be happy in either conditions, confident that even in chancy conditions they can succeed!

My approach as a race officer would always be as stated at the briefing:  1, if conditions are marginal for fairness or safety I will probably postpone, 2, if conditions shortly after the start become very unfair I will probably abandon, and,3,  if there are unidentified boats at the start, always possible even with a pin end boat, especially where nearby boats screen boats further down the line, I will probably call a General Recall.

With the highly variable and sometimes marginal conditions experienced much of the time at Eden a race officer with this attitude is inevitably going to displease if not the majority then many.   Nevertheless although in retrospect some decisions made at Eden may have been unfortunate I still believe that fairness and safety should be the major consideration even when this does not suit many.

Tips for young players!

For what it is worth, some observations from many years of involvement with F11's that coaches, clubs and competitors might benefit from noting:

1.      In fresh conditions, downwind especially, many in the back half of the fleet are sitting too far forward.  This is not only slow but dangerous downwind as the F11 has very little rocker which combined with the wide flat buoyant aft sections means the bow digs in easily, making steering very difficult.  The bear away at the top mark in fresh conditions can be made far faster, easier and safer if the crew sit well aft as the boat bears away.


2.      When bearing away at the top mark many try to set kites while close reaching, this is fine in light airs but dangerous, difficult and slow in fresh conditions.  It is much easier and safer to bear away hard, almost to a run, set the kite and then think about coming up to the course to the gybe mark.  Similarly at the gybe, run, then gybe, then run, before attempting to come up to the new course.  Many boats at the back half of the fleet can gybe OK on the running leg but come to grief at the gybe mark.  So the message should be, "when you get to a gybe mark in strong winds think of it as a gybe while running square".  If the gybe takes a few minutes longer, not much time is lost as the bottom reach will be faster and if too tight towards the bottom mark, 2 sail reach the last bit.  All much quicker than capsizing in a wild gybe the moment the boat gets to the gybe mark.


3.      Similarly we note time and time again that most boats sail very high on the first reach, often fighting the gusts instead of running away with them.  Then as they approach the gybe mark they end up running almost square.  Some in the back half of the fleet probably sail 15% longer course as each boat sail slightly higher than the one in front.   The shortest distance between 2 marks is a straight line, and usually it is faster on a reach to sail slightly low especially in the gusts in fresh conditions, only coming up high of the straight line close to the gybe mark in preparation for the gybe.  A far better game plan is to run away hard while setting the kite then sail low for a while to ensure good separation from windward boats, easy to do as most will sail very high.  On approaching the gybe mark the low boats will have nearly twice the speed.  At most venues the first reach is close to land, so a low course is more likely to be in more wind.  Avoid the wind shadow, "low is the go"!


4.      Upwind in fresh conditions very few boats appear to pull down on the cunningham or pull out on the foot to flatten the sail, or pull up the centreboard slightly.  These adjustments not only make the boat easier to sail but faster.


Actually all really Sailing 101 and well documented by the likes of Manfred Curry back in the 1930's!

Hope this helps!

Peter Moor

  "you look much better in a flying 11!





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